Outlook

Zachary Zwanenburg

Outlook login window taking ages to load and straight up wont on some browsers

Paradise Road

...OUTLOOK SUCKS...so what's new?... ...anything coming from Outlook being dumped in Spam Folders...or just plain disappearing... ...get BLUEMAIL...it works...

Karen Higginson

Constant outages lately; every 2-3 days.

Dave

Screen is not refreshing, cannot see the mail icons or anything, totally down.

Kathule9

@VraserX The widespread indifference, or worse, contempt, for those in need suggests a far from rosy outlook.

Oddwarthog

@IsaacKing314 My IT department remains insistent that *opening a phishing email* is an issue, even if you don't click on any links. I guess we are supposed to determine it is phishing from the subject line in the Outlook notification.

WealthBranch

OPEC Monthly Report drops Monday. It updates global energy forecasts and supply outlook. This report influences oil prices and economic forecasts. #Economics #Energy #OPEC #OilPrices #SPY

naveenan90

Its been 3 days since we migrated from Gmail workspace to Microsoft mails. We were so exited to adopt to this new ecosystem, unfortunately. the MS Mails are not working with Outlook new. can someone help to fix this #Microsoft we almost worried now.

kaitoamn

@DevSlashNulled May you DM please I still didn't receive verification email also Imm using outlook

Piyushgupta1811

@grok @darshanpathak So whats the oil price right now 57.55 for US oil and there is bearish outlook in early 2026 also

_GrowTogether_

???? Trade Thaw: US-India Relations ​✅ Development: US Trade Rep Greer signals potential tariff relief. ✅ The Issue: 25% penalty linked to India's Russian oil imports. ✅ Outlook: Washington is "hopeful" the tariff will be removed soon. ✅ Source: Hindustan Times. ​#IndiaUS

Jinnah_BundMara

@sabeer Then why did you sell hotmail? Couldnt fix your own god damn company? ?

Cygnet_Capital

? Commodities Snapshot | 12 Dec 2025 Gold maintained a positive outlook supported by macro conditions. Copper sentiment remained constructive on infrastructure demand. Cobalt stability was weighed by regulatory issues in the DRC. #Gold #Copper #Commodities

JulianHeathPhot

@TalkTalk Silidile stated that TT cannot help me with a problem regarding Outlook! I don't have a problem with Outlook; I have a problem with TalkTalk blocking my access to Outlook through your site! My e-mail is with TT but my contacts & diary are Outlook through TT.

neilnicholson

The Global Outlook: While the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that the global supply of liquid fuels will be physically adequate through 2050, the key issue is access and price stability.

Bloomnightstay

Council Tax Surcharge. By contrast: Scotland & Northern Ireland still showing upward price trends. Price expectations shifting Near-term price expectations stayed weak at -15%, yet the 12-month outlook improved sharply to +24%, the most positive sentiment since June as hopes

lostliano

@DevSlashNulled @outlook.de/com still has issues, mails only get sent when clicking the re-send mail button in the verification screen (at least that was the case yesterday)

EchoVoid47

Outlook: ICRA sees 15–20% intl growth FY26. Navi Mumbai airport to ease load. If reforms stick—staffing, funding, competition—India could lead by 2030. If not, turbulence continues. #FutureOfFlight

grok

@sriniva89034090 @BlueMoonTrades After-hours on Dec 11, SPY dipped 0.34% to 685.20, QQQ 0.49% to 624.55—mild drops, not a nosedive. For Dec 12, expect volatility from Fed's rate decision; recent cuts have boosted rallies, but broader outlook mixes tech strength with job/housing risks. Monitor news closely;

Veriee231147

@Coredao_Org ? Fascinating outlook! Have you contemplated a system where everyone has an equal voice? ?

aridiculosidea

???? The highly technical and sophisticated outlook from Fed Chair J. Powell: The base case going forward is we're either going to cut a little or cut more than a little. Study #Bitcoin

alecsime

@unusual_whales The Fed keeping their long-term rate outlook unchanged is their way of saying “don’t worry, this is all under control.” But cutting rates while holding the forecast steady just highlights the disconnect. The story they’re telling and the situation they’re managing aren’t the same

grok

@GoldChainCowboi @camolNFT The 25 bps rate cut is widely expected today based on CME data and reports from Reuters, CNBC, and others—it's likely priced in. Bitcoin's hovering around $92k currently. A drop to $72k seems aggressive, but market reactions often hinge on the Fed's 2026 outlook. We'll see

duncanstives

@TechOperator "Sorry I didn't respond right away. Wifi on my flight/internet at my house/outlook wasn't working for some reason" ?

theofcGM

I’ll continue sharing day to day insights, lessons learned in my role, challenges we’ve navigated past and present, and my outlook on the evolving landscape of our service line industry

PrabhuBritto

. Error 550 5.1.1 On [email protected]. Hence not copied further please. Apologies for the inconvenience. When errors are rectified, I may please be notified so that I can resume sending a copy to the above email ids please. @Outlook may be pleased look into

iMicrocap

6/Outlook: Short-Term Short Term (0-6 months): ⭐️Volatility: Short-term volatility will persist. ⭐️Earnings Hit: Expect the temporary 8-9% earnings hit for FY26 to be absorbed. ⭐️Cost Inflation: The higher crew costs will lead to a permanent, but manageable, erosion of its cost

CoachDPolite

Anyone else experiencing issues with Outlook?

GardinerIsland

markets currently worry about Powell deciding to be hawkish on the outlook ( especially since he's been trashed by Donald ) as well as fact we are nowhere close to 2% inflation nor headed there soon GSE spreads a half bp tighter today ( +103.4 to +102.8 )

LumoSoftware

@Simon_Hypixel You should have seriously sorted out the deliverability issue before doing this.... O365/Outlook still won't accept your emails.

CHItraders

$PEP PepsiCo issues prelim 2026 outlook following engagement with Elliot Management

ankngaokr

Tried agent Edggy from @EdgenTech this morning and it immediately tightened my research loop Edggy scanned on‑chain flow + social sentiment, flagged a $HYPE liquidation level around 23.7, and dropped a crisp 10s portfolio note that mapped signal → outlook → trade action. I ran

ovtlyr

$TOL Toll Brothers Issues Cautious 2026 Outlook Amid Weak Housing Demand The home builder based in Fort Washington, Pa., reported increased revenue for the fourth quarter, but expressed caution about house deliveries in the upcoming fiscal year due to weak industry demand.

CryptoMilox

Goldman Sachs has downgraded Norwegian Cruise Line ($NCLH) to Neutral from Buy, lowering the price target to $21 from $23. The decision is based on a less favorable risk-reward outlook for 2026, particularly due to supply/demand issues in the Caribbean. ? #NCLH @grok

KaitoAura

Tried Edggy from @EdgenTech this morning felt like discovering a market nervous system. Edggy scanned on‑chain flow and social sentiment, flagged a $HYPE liquidation level near 23.7, and dropped a 10s portfolio note that mapped signal → outlook → strategy. Paired with

Anujkkyadv

? Morgan Stanley keeps Overweight on Bajaj Finance — TP: ₹1,195 Key points: • Company to deploy AI to boost productivity & cut credit risk • FY25–30 AUM & PAT CAGRs slightly moderated vs prior outlook • Tech + AI to drive scale with 100M loans & strong digital adoption •

StockMarketZaps

South Korea's exchange issues a 2nd investment warning on $NVDA supplier $005930. Bearish outlook.

clockstiqqun

@Tr4nsGeek why does that matter? either express solidarity with cîsgender men on the issue of misandry, or lose the right to complain about transmisandry. you are simply being treated as your ideological outlook demands they be treated

kilowztv

@DevSlash_Null having issues using outlook

WM4236904539253

@DaveHcontrarian @RebelJimRaynor Mr Hunter Following SILJ seems lagging a bit Should be around 30 so it seems Any outlook Thank you

Eliax_DT

@yunglaenen @BuffGigas Nakatsu is the director of Tekken 8. He has been working on Tekken for quite some time, worked on TT 2, and knows what makes a good Tekken game. With the latest characters, the outlook seems more optimistic

DazzlerBob

@StevenJonMiller Yes. Given the structural problems you describe in the U.K., and considering the broader deterioration across global markets, the outlook is grim. Current conditions point to mounting systemic stress across equities, credit, sovereign debt, and liquidity channels. If this

altinbase21

of Gendarmerie Special Ops nationwide – partial border closure with Iraq and Iran ⸻ 6. Strategic Consequences (2026 Outlook) Turkey •Gains joint control of northern Syria, cutting SDF autonomy. •But faces the largest internal insurgency since the 1990s, now (19/23)

SmithClean32719

Good Evening Neighbours, Just letting Everyone know in the Ashford area. If anyone is looking to get their car cleaned or any other issues, please contact me. You can call or message me on 07984969394 For Enquiries contact Email: [email protected]

Allan McKeag

Copilot tells me I am not the only one and Microsoft is working on it...

Allan McKeag

Outlook app will not open but I can use it in the browser.

byul_finance

$JPM $BAC Fed expected to cut rates despite deep internal divisions on US economic outlook

EscapedKomunism

Schwab’s WEF Vision: Schwab took inspiration from Kissinger’s global outlook, building the WEF into a platform where business and political elites discuss world issues.

ukibiku

@sabeer BS, the kind of money, sponsorship that goes into Entrepreneurship needs IDEA to be sold in advance.. MEANING => NOT CHASING UNKNOWN, u chase on the lines ALREADY KNOWN/Understood by investors.. & HOTMAIL decades later thn unix-based internal mail/sendmail/bsd-mail etc ideas

yashonearth

@sabeer As if your Hotmail never had outage ..

pd_hansen71786

Does ANYONE know why OUTLOOK EMAIL is NOT working????

misterjetson

@obegraysr @BronnyMuse06 it looks like you have a problem accepting reality, or a selfish outlook on the game but Rui hit the shot, they won. idk what YOUR definition of "right" is...

jhctruthseeker

@Primequbic Thank you for the great info and positive outlook!! ?

Hype_Scan

??Injury Delay Alert?? Lamar Jackson QB BAL With a limited practice Wednesday and not practicing Thursday due to an ankle injury, Lamar Jackson's fantasy outlook is precarious ahead of the Ravens' Week 11 matchup.

grok

@AngelsGlow12144 US office vacancy rates hit 19.8% in Q3 2025 per CBRE, up from 18.4% in 2024, driven by remote work—costing holders via lost rents and maintenance (Bloomberg). BlackRock's real estate AUM is $330B, but diversified; their outlook sees recovery in 2026. Housing vacancies are lower

twinkletweetu

Setting up that 5-sec delivery delay in outlook has saved my life more times than I can count. The only method of “unsending” emails that works for me

ZaeInvests

@yoshi_v1 Exactly. Fixing the issues is essential for long-term health, but the core value of $ZEC is clearly recognized by the traders right now. Bullish outlook remains strong!

Buffy

Anyone else having an issue logging into Outlook desktop?

grok

@Ram1068040 As of Dec 2, 2025 (~14:00 GMT), gold (XAU/USD) is ~$4,260/oz, up slightly amid Fed rate cut odds at ~85% for Dec 18 (CME, Reuters). Outlook: Bullish potential to $4,300 if yields ease, but downside risk to $4,200 on USD strength or corrections (FXStreet,

3angelbaby8

view of life may be in error. They have no expectations of themselves or others and retreat into a reality as bleak in its actuality as it is in its outlook because unhealthy vibes are terrified of the world end of their own inability to cope with it, they stew in a destructive

rogeriomarquest

@GreenAmber10k @broadwaybabyto That is one of the main problems with the mainstream pop philosophical outlook in today’s society: Implicitly pretending everyone has the same quality of character.

outlooksprings

Get 25% off issues of Outlook Springs today with code CM2025!

grok

@sospunjab @PolitlcsUK Richard Hughes has resigned as Chair of the UK's Office for Budget Responsibility after an investigation found a technical error led to the early publication of the economic outlook on Nov 26, 2025. Confirmed by OBR and multiple reports.

alpha__tobi

@web3_Lerner Every drop of info adds more confidence in the long term outlook. Strong work.

alpha__tobi

@Web3alphazl Every drop of info adds more confidence in the long term outlook. Strong work.

Pete_Wood7

@plusnethelp Email not working, no downloads to Outlook, in Webmail (all inboxes) I get an error "Server Error: STATUS: Courier-IMAP server shut down by signal." I know you are in the process of migration but this is not acceptable.

GuidoFawkes

OBR REPORT: There is, in the view of our expert technical adviser Professor Ciaran Martin, nothing to suggest that the failure to protect the Economic and fiscal outlook (EFO) from premature access during a pre-publication period of 38 minutes on 26 November was the result of

MTMVERSE

? MACRO OUTLOOK – THIS WEEK Major catalysts incoming ⚠️ ? Mon (Dec 1) • ISM Manufacturing PMI • ISM Employment • Powell Speech ? Expect macro-driven volatility. #Macro #ISM #Powell

greatfortune88

@aixbt_agent MON has hit bottom. Please share your short-term outlook with $ASTER , $TAO

alpha__tobi

@web3_Lerner @MemeMarketFun Every drop of info adds more confidence in the long term outlook. Strong work.

emekairoab

Bitroot drops parallel EVM architecture: 10x faster txns, slashing congestion on ETH & beyond. HTS magnets spotlighted in IAEA's 2025 Fusion Outlook—blockchain's intersecting with energy tech for secure grids. Brazil's DeCripto tracks 90% stablecoin vol. Game-changer? #Blockchain

WealthBranch

OPEC Monthly Report drops Monday. It shapes global oil markets and economic outlook. #Economics #SPY #AMZN #AAPL #TSLA

grok

@Neutrin0099 @broseph_stalin My statements are based on anthropological studies, ethnographic reports, and media sources like The Hindu (e.g., 2019 article on burial challenges in Telangana for some Hindu castes including SCs due to tradition and land issues) and Outlook India. These indicate burial is

Gabriel59671

@michaelbweb3 Network upgrades keep improving the outlook

Knowumar1

Software Woes Qiskit deprecations = constant rewrites. No error mitigation or seamless PySCF integration. Reproducibility nightmare. Outlook: Stable APIs by 2030? Fingers crossed. Source Grok

grok

@uk006006 @BTCjunkies Yes, recent data shows Bitcoin supply on exchanges has slightly decreased in late November 2025 (e.g., from ~1.84M to 1.84M BTC per MacroMicro). Fidelity reported in April that public company buys contributed to drops since 2024, and their 2026 outlook notes over 100 firms hold

HelloThisIsDean

@AOLSupportHelp Any update on this? It’s still not working via Outlook.

dysangelistes

@curtis_yarvin A signal problem, for survivors of the 20th century, is how to recover the humanity that has been stripped from us in the service of ailing & failing institutions, whose global outlook & outreach destroy the individual's capacity to know or express himself with autonomy.

HuttonPlays

@easysbc Email is [email protected]

NicolasBarlow

@MicrosoftHelps @Outlook is not downloading messages via Android app for mobile but ok on web. Have reset but still issue and now Contacts and Calendar entries are not showing. Please advise asap

VishalShenoy9

- Applications: Inter-state corridors, urban underground, offshore wind. - Components: Converter stations, cables, EPC, operations and maintenance. Future Outlook - 33 GW new HVDC capacity by 2032. - 15,432 circuit kilometers of HVDC lines in FY28-32.

JoynalChoudhur9

@AOLSupportHelp Is there an update on when the outlook issues with AOL will be fixed?

alpha__tobi

@Hrs3192583084 @thrustdotcom Every drop of info adds more confidence in the long term outlook. Strong work.

rooseveltdidIt

@SamuraiKai1 Yh I agree with the LLM problems They can't outlook human creativity

bayalsa27

*Rewane Forecasts Election Spending To Drive 2026 Economic Outlook *W/Bank Urges FG To Cut Import Tariffs To Curb Inflation ?Energy/Oil/Gas *At PwC Roundtable, Adelabu Says Power Sector Debt To Hit N6trn By Dec•Declares Banks Shun Funding DisCos Over Poor Balance Sheet

alinadorothea

why are there 48 different tabs in the menu, why is the menu only scrollable in a mysterious and idiosyncratic way, why is there always an internal server error, why are copied links always set by default to ‘can edit’, why does outlook filter everything incorrectly

genzcongressKE

@Bygones_24 What's the outlook? been kind of deliberately ignoring the issue

MelManning8

@AOLSupportHelp Also having the same issues, AOL app is fine but Outlook is not logging in Not sure what's happening as no update yet.

obsolete_utopia

steady domestic inflows have brightened the outlook, with foreign selling showing signs of easing. Softer crude oil prices, helped by hopes of Russia-Ukraine peace progress, further supported sentiment. This gap between index performance and actual investor outcomes is a +

geomacrodigest

IMF says India’s economic outlook remains solid despite rising global uncertainty. This stands out because most major economies are slowing at the same time India continues to show resilience. United States is dealing with sticky inflation and a delayed rate cut cycle. Europe is

MultibaggAI

IMF SEES INDIA GROWTH AT 6.6% IN FY26, CREDITING GST REFORMS FOR EASING TARIFF ISSUES; POSITIVE SIGNAL FOR INVESTMENT OUTLOOK AND FISCAL/STABILITY MONITORING

Lewis Powell

Dm /:Recovery”Secured:/ on their..teIegram..support.

grok

@RafLee84 @piersmorgan Based on official statements and reports from Reuters, BBC, and others, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) accidentally published their Economic and Fiscal Outlook early on their website due to a technical error. OBR apologized and is investigating. It wasn't Labour.

bobd315

@AOLSupportHelp AOL on both iOS and Outlook are working again for me.

jpatete3

@AOLSupportHelp Having multiple users in my office unable to access via outlook. pop and imap clients. Any eta

Eng_MainaKe

@OpenUniKenya , I have an issue with accessing my student email including logins . Is it on outlook domain ?

time181073

@AOLSupportHelp It's the AOL Imap server. My Outlook Desktop can't connect to send or receive.

Russw777

@AOLSupportHelp I think it’s a lot of users. Email server issue? Outlook won’t connect at all Benn like it for hours

EllenAMilligan

Reeves is furious with the OBR: "It is my understanding that the OBR's outlook was released on their website before this statement. This is deeply disappointing and a serious error on their part."

BethRigby

CX: stands up and is clearly FUMING over the early publication of the OBR economic and fiscal outlook: "It is deeply disappointing and a serious error on their part"

ShaunRickard67

Anyone else having issues with MS Outlook today?

AntonioKJohnso1

@njshore23 @MikeMasco Yeah I agree of this outlook pattern screams a 2022-2023 repeat winter like again possibly if she ridge dominates throughout this winter possibly there.

_themayorsgirl_

@AxelTillmann @Outlook Honestly Microsofts can't fix a problem at times Has your issue been rectified yet?

onoaniki

@holl0w_n I don't crash anymore but I still get my config reset very often, or I get asked to log in to Outlook and then a black screen pops up

VALVOR_official

? BREAKING — U.S. Treasury Update Treasury Secretary Bessent just dropped a major economic signal: ⚠️ Rate-sensitive sectors are already in recession …but the broader U.S. economy is not at risk of entering one. ? Outlook: Despite current pressure, the Treasury is confident

AKAK1959

@sabeer He is speaking as if Hotmail never faced any "technical issues" And there are no plane crashes in his country of love.??

GHmltn

It believes in the common good, a harmonious and healthy society, and in strong communities. Finding the balance between individual liberty and collective equality. It believes in localism and decentralisation. It believes in civil liberties. It is internationalist in outlook. /2

peace_78vi

@sabeer I there any machine that was built without error! Not even Hotmail! Dear, all things gets rectified by times Tejas is not different! Sonner we will build better machines

SkNairInd

@sabeer does anyone use a failed hotmail anymore

PolitikalStratu

@lEsethuHasane We cannot judge South Africa based on its international outlook and global issues, domestically we have traits of a failed State.

sanjay0971

@sabeer Your stupid Hotmail crashed more times

kafkadaks

Lord, please cause an MS outlook and teams outage today!! ????????

MultibaggAI

GLOBAL AI RALLY LIFTS MARKETS AS NVIDIA BEATS AND JOBS DATA TOPS EXPECTATIONS, FUELING RATE-CUT BETS; TECH OUTLOOK SHARP, WITH INDIAN TECH, ADRS AND MIDCAPS IN FOCUS

breakingbaht

@GiancarloSopo @Nalin_Haley And Im saying the problem is deeper and you're ignoring it because most of it is created by your exact outlook.

grok

@Rui565598468654 @Lawrenc09874431 Yes, IMF's October 2025 World Economic Outlook projects EU nominal GDP at $21.1 trillion, edging out China's $19.4 trillion, making the bloc second after the US. This reflects currency fluctuations, slower Chinese growth, and EU resilience despite internal issues. Nationalists

mdelateur

@Copilot @MicrosoftHelps The Copilot chat functionality in Outlook for Web currently doesn't work. You can't hit enter or click to submit a prompt. So it cannot be used to suggest things in an email etc. Help?

iNewsroom

MODERNA RISES 2.9% AFTER FIRM ISSUES 2026 GROWTH OUTLOOK

Cole_amani

MODERNA RISES 2.9% AFTER FIRM ISSUES 2026 GROWTH OUTLOOK

MarketNews_Feed

MODERNA RISES 2.9% AFTER FIRM ISSUES 2026 GROWTH OUTLOOK ...

FirstSquawk

MODERNA RISES 2.9% AFTER FIRM ISSUES 2026 GROWTH OUTLOOK

nandy_chandan

Dear @CognizantIndia I am not able to access outlook and teams because of Authenticator issue. Cognizant GDS is not working , in client network . Please help .

cleanteethvane

the outlook search feature is by far the worst technological failure i’ve witnessed

spylarge_

@CrispusMr @Outlook Don’t stress, this can be fixed through the right process. Send me a message and I’ll explain how

avantejkl

@TampaBayTre Sellers? NFL outlook? That died like 2 months ago.

TampaBayTre

That’s about as brutal of a three-play sequence as you can have from LaNorris Sellers. Pocket presence remains a major issue right now and with his NFL outlook. That’s not something you can just overlook because of his physical tools

sloppylioncourt

new jindal e-lafda just dropped but this time its happening on outlook????

Jamesb2bSaas

@coldemailchris Totally get the struggle with Outlook inboxing issues. We built @vume_ai to automate user acquisition on X, so you can skip email headaches and focus on growth.

PedroAlvarez_92

@tutkusilare @MicrosoftHelps The recovery form glitch is terrible. I was stuck in that loop for days until stinefix on Twitter helped me recover my Outlook access.

JohnKrakbtc

@coldemailchris I appreciate you sharing this, but I think there might be some confusion here. Based on your message, it sounds like you're describing a **customer acquisition or outreach strategy** on email/Outlook not a technical issue with Outlook freezing. If that's the case: **

CraigBrockie

I hope Jefferson, Buffet and Zeberg are wrong, but based on statements of the WEF about their outlook for 2030, everything is lines up.

Anthony9200

@Windows I would say Not being able to log into my PC since outlook has been having problems

sharpeleven

@angusproud I read some of your posts on key issues and you are centre right, pro business and neoliberal in outlook. You pretend to be an impartial, detached commenter but you have a political agenda as much as anyone.

andybuckley_

@Windows Right fix your outlook sign in issue

Tatts1995

@MicrosoftHelps Hi hope you are well, I have been having issues with my outlook all week and have tried every way possible to sort it but doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere and someone has suggested to message here. My email matthewxtatton19@outlook has stopped working since

ironsollist

@MUSTBETHEMONEH @ThrasherPolicy I’m arguing our decision not to overspend is why we have a stronger economic outlook. And subsiding ticket prices without having the revenue to do so does cause economic problems. I’m not against subsiding ticket prices and prolonged investment, but you’d have to find that money

MUSTBETHEMONEH

@ironsollist @ThrasherPolicy You’re proving my point. Our long-term economic outlook is stronger yet you’re saying we can’t afford it but they can, despite a poorer economy. Or are you really trying to argue that infrastructure investment in rail causes economic problems?

L_Rose183

@Outlook Pls fix your log in issues, thx I still can’t log into my email. It says too many attempts even though I’ve only tried once. Option to send code to alt email, go to sign into that one, I’ve tried to log in too many times ?

ic_news_

Hourly News Summary (11/14/2025 18:00:00 UTC) IC News Hourly Summary: 14:00: Bitcoin price drops below 97,000 USDT with 5.73% decline amid market shocks and warnings of worsening outlook. 14:05: Community bankers urge OCC to block Sony's crypto banking ambitions. 14:10:

Prashanth_YSP

@HDFCERGOGIC I had health insurance from hdfc ergo due to some auto payment was failed 21st Oct and requested for link and they shared the link also but link having technical issue. And reported multiple times but no response. Req email id [email protected]

Prithviprime18

@AntonPantio which outlook provider was he using before? mailr